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you know, when john boehner appears, they say are you willing to accept higher rates. no one says what are you going to do about entitlements or anything, there's no question of the president whether he will compromise and what that would look like. >> paul: steve, what do you think the republicans ought to do here? is there a way out for them or are they going to be pushed back into a corner where they have no choice, but to concede that they have to raise tax rates or else go over the cliff and get blamed for that? >> well, it's a tough situation for them. there's no question about it because as you know, the default position, if we don't do anything is for the taxes to go up on everybody on january 1st, and that's something i think both sides want to avoid. it's very interesting, the thing that happened this week to start the week, was who was the first person that barack obama met with in the white house since his election, the labor unions, the labor block, that tells a lot who is driving policy at least at the start of the second term? and the labor unions basica
you know, when john boehner appears, they say are you willing to accept higher rates. no one says what are you going to do about entitlements or anything, there's no question of the president whether he will compromise and what that would look like. >> paul: steve, what do you think the republicans ought to do here? is there a way out for them or are they going to be pushed back into a corner where they have no choice, but to concede that they have to raise tax rates or else go over the...
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they are the ones doing the public posturing for him. >> i think also that john boehner does not have a strong hand. he has got a caucus that has dug in its heels on any kind of compromise. i saw this picture of john boehner, this cartoon character, holding a football and saying to president obama "trust me." >> there was an election on november 6 and the democrats did not do that badly. who is here? >> everybody has got to give. >> it really is true. you cannot tax your way out of this debt, you cannot slash expenses and get out of this in debt. you have got to do both. >> somewhat gradually. >> the president seems to be offering a two-for-one deal -- for every $1 of tax increase, he will cut expenses by $2. simpson-bowles wanted a one-to-3 ratio. the republicans want zero. >> but they have the business community that does not want us to go for the cliff -- >> if you use a different language, are there republicans amenable to an increase in taxes -- >> use the word "revenue." >> nancy pelosi took the position, a good negotiating position, that it ought to be $1 million to hundred $50
they are the ones doing the public posturing for him. >> i think also that john boehner does not have a strong hand. he has got a caucus that has dug in its heels on any kind of compromise. i saw this picture of john boehner, this cartoon character, holding a football and saying to president obama "trust me." >> there was an election on november 6 and the democrats did not do that badly. who is here? >> everybody has got to give. >> it really is true. you...
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boehner. is it any different, or is this just about, i don't know, smoke and mirrors? >> well, i think the atmosphere is certainly different as you mentioned. in the past, these guys would go back to capitol hill and put out competing statements about what went on during the meetings. you saw what happened last year during the debt ceiling negotiations. this time it was one big happy family. there certainly seems to be some sort of recognition on the part of how fed up american people with sort of the seeing this game of chicken being played at such a high stakes time. i think there is certainly, after this election, there is kind of a let's get down to business. let's see if we can get this thing done. whether that can translate -- david just said, the biggest sticking point, taxes on the wealthy is still on the table. you can sing happy birthday to john boehner as much as you want. gwen: he would still say no. >> absolutely. i think it's really premature to try to predict what is going to ha
boehner. is it any different, or is this just about, i don't know, smoke and mirrors? >> well, i think the atmosphere is certainly different as you mentioned. in the past, these guys would go back to capitol hill and put out competing statements about what went on during the meetings. you saw what happened last year during the debt ceiling negotiations. this time it was one big happy family. there certainly seems to be some sort of recognition on the part of how fed up american people...
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. >> during that meeting the president sat between house speaker john boehner and senate majority leader harry reid calling for cooperation and compromise. >> we've got to make sure that taxes don't go up on middle-class families, that our economy remains strong, that we're creating jobs, and that's an agenda that democrats and republicans and independents, people all across the country, share. so, our challenge is to make sure that, you know, we are able to cooperate together, work together. >> joining me now for more, congressional reporter for "the washington post" ed o'keefe and national journal correspondent nancy cook. good morning both of you. last time we saw those three together, sort of a kumbayah moment when you have reid and boehner and mcconnell together. did you get a sense, ed, putting revenue on the table meant republicans were open to tax hikes for those makes $250,000 or more? >> no, they're not. they still say they don't want to see that increase. by talking about revenues the idea is you close loopholes, find a way to perhaps limit deductions and create revenue that w
. >> during that meeting the president sat between house speaker john boehner and senate majority leader harry reid calling for cooperation and compromise. >> we've got to make sure that taxes don't go up on middle-class families, that our economy remains strong, that we're creating jobs, and that's an agenda that democrats and republicans and independents, people all across the country, share. so, our challenge is to make sure that, you know, we are able to cooperate together, work...
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. >> boehner as a caucus that has dug in its heels on any kind of compromise. the picture of the john boehner, this cartoon character, holding a football, saying to president obama, "trust me it." >> you know, there was an election on november 6, and the democrats did not do that badly. who gives here? >> everybody has got to give. >> you say it and say and say, but you cannot tax your way out of this debt and you cannot slash expenses and get out of this and get rid you have got to do both. >> someone gradually. >> president seems to be offering a two-for-one deal, for every $1 of tax increase, he will cut taxes by two dollars. simpson-bowles wanted a one-to-3 ratio. publicans 10. -- republicans want zero. >> business community does not want us to go over the cliff. >> what the republicans amenable to increases in taxes -- >> use the word "revenue." >> you had nancy pelosi taking the position -- $1 million, not $250,000. john mccain has suggested make it $500,000. that is where the movement is going to come, with that number. >> is there a deal in the works be
. >> boehner as a caucus that has dug in its heels on any kind of compromise. the picture of the john boehner, this cartoon character, holding a football, saying to president obama, "trust me it." >> you know, there was an election on november 6, and the democrats did not do that badly. who gives here? >> everybody has got to give. >> you say it and say and say, but you cannot tax your way out of this debt and you cannot slash expenses and get out of this and...
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>> i think the challenge for boehner. it will be a test for john boehner's leadership to find the votes within his caucus, to meet the president and others halfway. he has got to come halfway. certainly the president has got to come halfway. that's what this is about. >> eliot: i agree with you. the president has already gone halfway. i think they'll end up meeting his number. winning in politics brings consequences. new orleans mayor marc moriel. thank you for coming on the program. i'm joined by the one and only congressman barney frank. congressman, thank you for joining us. >> great to be here. for >> eliot: for all the good well and happy talk is there a deal being framed up right now? >> i don't know. i hope there is. we've known there was substantively, but there has to be republicans who understand that sticking with this deficit reduction coming out of domestic programs, and you expand military spending, and you don't increase tax on the wealthy clearly the election said that's not the right way to go. i know the
>> i think the challenge for boehner. it will be a test for john boehner's leadership to find the votes within his caucus, to meet the president and others halfway. he has got to come halfway. certainly the president has got to come halfway. that's what this is about. >> eliot: i agree with you. the president has already gone halfway. i think they'll end up meeting his number. winning in politics brings consequences. new orleans mayor marc moriel. thank you for coming on the...
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speaker john boehner didn't want anything to do with it. the revenue problem can be solved by modernizing the postal service. bernie sanders says this is what we can do about it. >> the postal service has to change. it has to be entrepreneurial. much more pro-consumer. in our state, we have many rural post offices. people want to go there to get letters copied. can't do that. they want to get letters, notarized, against the law. there are many areas the postal service can bring in substantially more revenue. >> and this is breaking news. no tax dollars go to the operation of the postal service. that's right. zero dollars. these solutions are simple, but republicans are against helping the post office because they want to see it eliminated, bust the union, privatize it. the longer nothing is done, more jobs are lost. the postal service has plans to close 260 post offices around the country. this means that an additional jobs at risk if nothing is done. republicans in action on this issue is actually shameless. they have had all year to come
speaker john boehner didn't want anything to do with it. the revenue problem can be solved by modernizing the postal service. bernie sanders says this is what we can do about it. >> the postal service has to change. it has to be entrepreneurial. much more pro-consumer. in our state, we have many rural post offices. people want to go there to get letters copied. can't do that. they want to get letters, notarized, against the law. there are many areas the postal service can bring in...
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john boehner initially said, listen, president, it's time fur to lead. that's what you saw in that press conference, the president saying look at the map, look at my victory and get what and, oh, yeah, guess what, i've won. >> we've officially renamed the fiscal cliff the fiscal curb. it's a little step down and you keep taking the steps so by the time you goat march or april, there's something significant happening but not right away. but there's a tricky thing here. both sides want to call it a cliff because both sides need drama in order to drive the urgency of their position but i'm wondering if at some point the president doesn't soften this as we get into late december and start to say to people, well, on the first week of january, you're going u just going to see a little step. and we will have time to fix it retroactively. >> i think that's probably what you will hear. i think ultimately this is going to be some kind of compromise. the fiscal cliff, it would be about $6 hup billion worth of tax cuts. i think it is going to be softened. there are
john boehner initially said, listen, president, it's time fur to lead. that's what you saw in that press conference, the president saying look at the map, look at my victory and get what and, oh, yeah, guess what, i've won. >> we've officially renamed the fiscal cliff the fiscal curb. it's a little step down and you keep taking the steps so by the time you goat march or april, there's something significant happening but not right away. but there's a tricky thing here. both sides want to...
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. >> president obama and house leader john boehner before him sounding somewhat positive on working out a plan to divert the fiscal cliff. they met in person at the white house on friday, along with house minority leader nancy pelosi and senate majority leader harry reid and minority leader senator mitch mcconnell. jeff, it seems like the media are poised to blame republicans if the deal falls apart. >> if you look at the polling, over half the country believes it's the g.o.p.'s fault if this deal falls apart. why that? the democrats and the president himself have done an effective job of essentially trashing republicans saying that this whole, the reason that there's a, you know, there isn't a deal in the first place, because it's their fault and that's not true. it's both parties that did this and the president particularly not showing leadership and kicking the can down the road and creating a super committee. the media is not covering this correctly at all. reporting that the president want a deficit package. 1 trillion from tending the war and that's going to happen and another tri
. >> president obama and house leader john boehner before him sounding somewhat positive on working out a plan to divert the fiscal cliff. they met in person at the white house on friday, along with house minority leader nancy pelosi and senate majority leader harry reid and minority leader senator mitch mcconnell. jeff, it seems like the media are poised to blame republicans if the deal falls apart. >> if you look at the polling, over half the country believes it's the g.o.p.'s...
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speaker john boehner didn't want anything to do with it. the revenue problem can be solved by modernizing the postal service. bernie sanders says this is what we can do about it. >> the postal service has to change. it has to be entrepreneurial. much more pro-consumer. in our state, we have many rural post offices. people want to go there to get letters copied. can't do that. they want to get letters, notarized, against the law. there are many areas the postal service can bring in substantially more revenue. >> and this is breaking news. no tax dollars go to the operation of the postal service. that's right. zero dollars. these solutions are simple, but republicans are against helping the post office because they want to see it eliminated, bust the union, privatize it. the longer nothing is done, more jobs are lost. the postal service has plans to close 260 post offices around the country. this means that an additional jobs at risk if nothing is done. republicans in action on this issue is actually shameless. they have had all year to come
speaker john boehner didn't want anything to do with it. the revenue problem can be solved by modernizing the postal service. bernie sanders says this is what we can do about it. >> the postal service has to change. it has to be entrepreneurial. much more pro-consumer. in our state, we have many rural post offices. people want to go there to get letters copied. can't do that. they want to get letters, notarized, against the law. there are many areas the postal service can bring in...
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the congressional leaders, boehner, reid, pelosi, mcconnell, were optimistic but cautious about a deal. here they are at the stakeout. >> to show our seriousness, we have put revenue on the table as long as it's accompanied by significant spending cuts. >> we have the cornerstones of being able to work something out. we're both going to have to give up some of the things that we know are a problem. >> we should have a goal in terms of how much deficit reduction. we should have a deadline before christmas. we should show some milestones of success so that confidence can build. >> we're prepared to put revenue on the table provided we fix the real problem. >> the real problem. you got that? mcconnell is always the tree stump on the lawn when you're trying to cut it. this afternoon the president held his fourth and final meetings with stakeholders, civic leaders, and members of civic organizations. marc morial is president of the urban league, he was at the afternoon meeting as was aaron smith is cofounder of a group called young invincibles dedicated to ensuring that young people's persp
the congressional leaders, boehner, reid, pelosi, mcconnell, were optimistic but cautious about a deal. here they are at the stakeout. >> to show our seriousness, we have put revenue on the table as long as it's accompanied by significant spending cuts. >> we have the cornerstones of being able to work something out. we're both going to have to give up some of the things that we know are a problem. >> we should have a goal in terms of how much deficit reduction. we should have...
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why did obama double the revenue target from 800 billion that he wanted in negotiation weise boehner, in 2011, why did he had less access. i think the question is billion than he was looking for before. this gives him a better starting point. i do think that both sides are going to try to work something out before the end of the year because they are all worried about the impact on the economy, not just in jab, but right now while you're watching the stock market and others negatively react to the fact that they are fearing this fiscal cliff. >> he must have known that this 1.6 trillion is a far more realistic number in the objectives. why didn't he mention >>> president obama will nominate susan rice as secretary of state. >> nope, he will back down. >> he won't back down. >> he will back down and not nominate her. >> he will
why did obama double the revenue target from 800 billion that he wanted in negotiation weise boehner, in 2011, why did he had less access. i think the question is billion than he was looking for before. this gives him a better starting point. i do think that both sides are going to try to work something out before the end of the year because they are all worried about the impact on the economy, not just in jab, but right now while you're watching the stock market and others negatively react to...
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i want to say, tamron, that it was house speaker john boehner's birthday. president obama gave him a bottle of wine. >> kristen, you spoimed it. we were going to show that later. rats. really, kristen welker? >> caller: so, sorry. >> i have something else to ask you about. i'm just giving you grief. the civic meeting is taking place, the reverend al, the national action network, and he's meeting with civic leaders. is he prepares some on the letter r left for concessions or things they may not like that comes out of these negotiations? >> reporter: well, i think it's both. i think it's that he's trying to prepare some on the left for concessions. he's trying to build up really his strength to be able to put pressure on republicans to come to the table with him over taxes. president obama meeting with with union leaders early this week, also business leaders, so he's really trying to form a broad consensus, i think, to put pressure on republicans and democrats to get something done, to actually get something accomplished before that january 1st deadline. tam
i want to say, tamron, that it was house speaker john boehner's birthday. president obama gave him a bottle of wine. >> kristen, you spoimed it. we were going to show that later. rats. really, kristen welker? >> caller: so, sorry. >> i have something else to ask you about. i'm just giving you grief. the civic meeting is taking place, the reverend al, the national action network, and he's meeting with civic leaders. is he prepares some on the letter r left for concessions or...
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the congressional leaders, boehner, reid, pelosi, mcconnell, were optimistic but cautious about a deal. here they are at the stakeout. >> to show our seriousness, we have put revenue on the table as long as it's accompanied by significant spending cuts. >> we have the cornerstones of being able to work something out. we're both going to have to give up some of the things that we know are a problem. >> we should have a goal in terms of how much deficit reduction. we should have a deadline before christmas. we should show some milestones of success so that confidence can build. >> we're prepared to put revenue on the table provided we fix the real problem. >> the real problem. you got that? mcconnell is always the tree stump on the lawn when you're trying to cut it. this afternoon the president held his fourth and final meetings with stakeholders, civic leaders, and members of civic organizations. marc morial is president of the urban league, he was at the afternoon meeting as was aaron smith is cofoirnd of a group called young invincibles dedicated to ensuring that young people's perspe
the congressional leaders, boehner, reid, pelosi, mcconnell, were optimistic but cautious about a deal. here they are at the stakeout. >> to show our seriousness, we have put revenue on the table as long as it's accompanied by significant spending cuts. >> we have the cornerstones of being able to work something out. we're both going to have to give up some of the things that we know are a problem. >> we should have a goal in terms of how much deficit reduction. we should have...
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by the way, boehner's word to go mert after the word, louie, i love you, too. after the election, we heard certain ceos were threatening to fire employees if president obama wob the election. some are going through with it. bobt murray, ceo of the coal company laid off 156 employees the day after the election. john schneider ceo the papa john's pizza says he will be cutting employee hours to avoid costs associated with obama care. finally, john met, ceo of several denny's franchises says he will add a 5% surcharge to customers' bills to offset the cost of obama care. you don't want to pay extra, he said tip the server less to offset the cost. what a sweetheart. >>> up next, new information on the affair that brought down cia director david petraeus. you're watching "hardball," the place for politics. [ male announcer ] when was the last time something made your jaw drop? campbell's has 24 new soups that will make it drop over, and over again. ♪ from jammin' jerk chicken, to creamy gouda bisque. see what's new from campbell's. it's amazing what soup can do. >>
by the way, boehner's word to go mert after the word, louie, i love you, too. after the election, we heard certain ceos were threatening to fire employees if president obama wob the election. some are going through with it. bobt murray, ceo of the coal company laid off 156 employees the day after the election. john schneider ceo the papa john's pizza says he will be cutting employee hours to avoid costs associated with obama care. finally, john met, ceo of several denny's franchises says he...
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house speaker john boehner says he thinks they will have a solution before the end of the year. >>> and there are new details about the woman, jill kelley, at the center of the scandal that brought down general petraeus. as nbc's andrea mitchell reports jill kelley's connections went beyond the social elite and tampa, all the way to the white house. >> reporter: jill kelley and her twin sister met at the white house, touring it on november fourth with their families, two days before general james clapper, the director of national intelligence was even told about the petraeus scandal. jill kelley mentioned the visit in an e-mail, saying i was at the white house with my friends in the administration this weekend. the stress was surreal. white house officials say the kelley sisters were invited by a staffer who may have met at the air force base. jill kelley was bipartisan in her outreach, she and her sister dropped in on a fundraiser for marco rubio two years ago. they did not pay, sources said, just arrived and soon left. in an e-mail last march, jill kelley said she was trying to carryi
house speaker john boehner says he thinks they will have a solution before the end of the year. >>> and there are new details about the woman, jill kelley, at the center of the scandal that brought down general petraeus. as nbc's andrea mitchell reports jill kelley's connections went beyond the social elite and tampa, all the way to the white house. >> reporter: jill kelley and her twin sister met at the white house, touring it on november fourth with their families, two days...
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as for speaker boehner i know they would personally like to make this time of deal. assuming the grand bargain happens, you can't get it done in a lame duck session, at least you move forward there, grand bargain, is this something that safbs the u.s. from this debt we've inflicted on ourselves for so long, where people stand up and notice it or would there still be the naysayers out there that say it still is not enough. what do you think? >> i think a true grand bargain would be a really great confidence signal to markets. now i don't think it's the solution for our short term growth problems because right now borrowing is cheap and we don't have a debt problem dragging on our economy right now but if we're looking at freeing up investment, freeing up hiring over the medium and long terms, absolutely the markets would love that. >> i think, also, the biggest negative domestically generated is the perpetual fights of brinksmanship, government shutdown, debt ceiling. a grand bargain that if it did nothing else put off those types of fights for the foreseeable future
as for speaker boehner i know they would personally like to make this time of deal. assuming the grand bargain happens, you can't get it done in a lame duck session, at least you move forward there, grand bargain, is this something that safbs the u.s. from this debt we've inflicted on ourselves for so long, where people stand up and notice it or would there still be the naysayers out there that say it still is not enough. what do you think? >> i think a true grand bargain would be a...
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speaker boehner all recent days been saying all the right things. it's interesting that today the president didn't really move an inch toward the republicans and speaker boehner had some comments that suggested he is not ready to move towards the president. take a listen thrrvettle are ways to put revenue on the table without increasing tax rates. we have talked about this now for over a year. you could -- there is all kinds of information and data out there. but, getting into the specifics of that at this point would not be conducive to trying to come to an agreement with the white house. >> so the bottom line is that neither side has -- president at his news conference today or john boehner in his conference have gotten into the tough specifics about what's going to happen to taxes, what's going to happen in terms of spending cuts to try to get a big debt cut maybe up to $4 trillion to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff. the president is having leaders in both parties here at the white house on friday. that's when they should start hashing all this
speaker boehner all recent days been saying all the right things. it's interesting that today the president didn't really move an inch toward the republicans and speaker boehner had some comments that suggested he is not ready to move towards the president. take a listen thrrvettle are ways to put revenue on the table without increasing tax rates. we have talked about this now for over a year. you could -- there is all kinds of information and data out there. but, getting into the specifics of...
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by the way, boehner's word to gohmert after the vote, "louie, i love you too." >>> finally this one. after the election we heard certain ceos were threatening to fire employees if president obama won the election. some are going through with it. robert murray, ceo of the coal company that ordered employees to attend a rally with mitt romney, laid off 156 employees the day after the election. nice guy. john schneider, ceo of papa john's pizza chain, says he will be cutting employee hours to avoid costs associated with obama care. finally, john metz, ceo of several denny's franchises, says he will add a 5% surcharge to customers' bills to offset the cost of obama care. you don't want to pay extra, he suggests you simply tip the server less to offset the cost. what a sweetheart. >>> up next, new information on the affair that brought down cia director david petraeus. you're watching "hardball," the place for politics. now back to "hardball." >>> back to "hardball." we now know the identity of that fbi agent, that tampa socialite jill kelley reached out to after receiving suspicious e-ma
by the way, boehner's word to gohmert after the vote, "louie, i love you too." >>> finally this one. after the election we heard certain ceos were threatening to fire employees if president obama won the election. some are going through with it. robert murray, ceo of the coal company that ordered employees to attend a rally with mitt romney, laid off 156 employees the day after the election. nice guy. john schneider, ceo of papa john's pizza chain, says he will be cutting...
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chris: will paul ryan join john boehner, the speaker, in trying to work out a deal? or he will be a rejectionist and set up the big rebel flag and say i'm going to be the die-hard? >> no one knows the answer to that question. that is yet to be seen. paul ryan is in a terrible situation. he can choose to do the right thing or he can decide, you know, he's obviously running for president in 2016, or he can decide to be the holdout and to be the rejectionist. president obama is lucky to have john boehner on the other side that have table because john bainer is not a crazy person. and he can work a deal. right now he simply does not have the votes. but -- again, the president does have to lead here. he has to bring something to the table. he has to be willing to give some that so that john boehner can bring his people to the table, too. but he can deliver. he's been mischaracterized i think. it's convenient for the white house to say, oh, boehner can't get his people behind him. boehner always gets his people behind him but the president has to bring something forward. c
chris: will paul ryan join john boehner, the speaker, in trying to work out a deal? or he will be a rejectionist and set up the big rebel flag and say i'm going to be the die-hard? >> no one knows the answer to that question. that is yet to be seen. paul ryan is in a terrible situation. he can choose to do the right thing or he can decide, you know, he's obviously running for president in 2016, or he can decide to be the holdout and to be the rejectionist. president obama is lucky to have...
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i missed some of the comments that john boehner made. let me give you a quick summary of the highlights here, and let's call them highlights because finally kumbaya. hope it lasts. the senate majority leader harry reid suggested both of us, we're both going to have to give up what we want and call this the cornerstone of working something out. that sounds good. then nancy pelosi, the house minority leader, saying that this has to be about cuts. this has to be about revenue. this has to be about growth and that she is confident a solution is in sight. sounds good, too. and then the house minority leader or rather the minority leader mitch mcconnell also suggesting that this was a constructive meeting and that we are prepared to put revenue on the table. they just emerged from the meeting. looked like they were going right back in. maybe they were going to have lunch. i don't know. they sure deserve it if they're able to come to rhetoric like that any any case. take to you break for a moment and hopefully i can scramble up wolf blitzer. gi
i missed some of the comments that john boehner made. let me give you a quick summary of the highlights here, and let's call them highlights because finally kumbaya. hope it lasts. the senate majority leader harry reid suggested both of us, we're both going to have to give up what we want and call this the cornerstone of working something out. that sounds good. then nancy pelosi, the house minority leader, saying that this has to be about cuts. this has to be about revenue. this has to be about...
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and boehner, speaker john boehner, spoke today and said, wait, just cool your jets. we've got a lot of negotiating to do. they're not going to let that happen. but the stock market may be telling us that the house in checkmate will wind up with a recession from the fiscal cliff. in other words, no deal making means bad recession. is that a scenario -- is that what the market's telling us? >> i think you're dead on. if you look at what's happened, real incomes have fallen much more during the recovery than they did during the preceding recession. 4.8% down versus 2.7% down. unemployment is higher now than when the president first took office. what's made people feel good is a rising stock market. they felt wealthier. now with all these big tax increases coming on on capital gains and dividends, people don't feel that anymore. the significance of this poll, larry, is it's the first poll taken after the election. and the rhetoric has been very strong, also from harry reid. remember, when it looked like romney might win, he said there's going to be in reaching across the
and boehner, speaker john boehner, spoke today and said, wait, just cool your jets. we've got a lot of negotiating to do. they're not going to let that happen. but the stock market may be telling us that the house in checkmate will wind up with a recession from the fiscal cliff. in other words, no deal making means bad recession. is that a scenario -- is that what the market's telling us? >> i think you're dead on. if you look at what's happened, real incomes have fallen much more during...